THE TURNER BRANCH

The TURNER branch starts with Ann TURNER (1537), who married Robert BELL (1266).

Turner generations

Generation Turner Ancestor Spouse Date and place of marriage
O Anne TURNER(1536)
(1733?-?)
Robert BELL (1266) (?-1812) possibly on 12 Nov 1766 at Manchester Cathedral
N William TURNER(1538)
(1702 - ?)
Mary BLYTHE (1539)
(1710 - ?)
04 Aug 1731 at Pontefract, Yorkshire.

Ann TURNER

Ann TURNER was presumably born after the marriage of her parents in 1731. There is a record of the baptism of an Anne TURNER, daughter of William TURNER, at Sheffield on 23 May 17331, which may be hers. I conclude below that her parents were William TURNER and Mary BLYTHE. These BLYTHES came from Norton Lees, near Sheffield. William TURNER may have lived at Sheffield in the course of moving from Hull to Manchester.

That one of three daughters of William TURNER, merchant of Hull, and his wife who was a daughter of Samuel BLYTHE of Norton Lees, married Robert BELL of Manchester is indicated in a pedigree of CAPPE-JARDINE2. These three daughters are also referred to in a pedigree of BLYTHE3, with cross-reference to the CAPPE-JARDINE pedigree, but the daughters are still not named. Where the date and place of Ann's marriage are concerned, I have no convincing evidence. Her father was born in Hull, but died in Manchester (see below), and may well have moved to Manchester early enough for some of his children to have been born there or married from there. There are at least three dated references to a marriage between an Ann TURNER and a Robert BELL;

At the moment, not having any alternatives, I think a Manchester wedding in 1766, which fits with the birth of Mary Ann BELL (300) in 1769, may well be the right one. However, this is still conjecture, and may not fit with the births of her siblings Robert and William, if their dates can be found (see below).

William TURNER

A William TURNER(1537), aged 27 and born at Kingston upon Hull, married Mary BLYTHE(1538), aged 20 and born at Norton, Yorkshire. This marriage took place on 04 Aug 1731 at Pontefract, Yorkshire 9. This is also the date shown in the BLYTHE pedigree10.

If William TURNER was 27 in 1731, then he was born about 1704. There is a baptismal record for a William TURNER, son of Robert TURNER and Rebecka, which took place at Hull on 30 Apr 1702, which would have made him 29 when he married, not 27, if they are the same person. At the moment this can only be speculation. He may not have been baptised in Hull, and Turner is a common name. The name occurs many times in the records of the Bowl Alley Lane chapel, in Hull, besides elsewhere. It does seem likely, however, that his baptism would have been in a non-conformist community. Wiliam TURNER died at Manchester11, but no date or other details are known.

Puttting together the information in both pedigrees, it appears that William TURNER and Mary BLYTHE had three sons and the three daughters:

The most that can be said is that there were probably six children of this marriage, but the order and dates of their births remain unknown.


Footnotes

1) The IGI based on member submission, so no source details are available.
2) Familiae Minorum Gentium, vol.1, p.188, 189; The Publications of the Harlean Society, Vol.37, 1894. What this pedigree says is that the first wife of Newcome CAPPE was a daughter of Will. TURNER of Hull, merchant, by a daughter of Samual BLYTHE of Norton Lees, V.D.M. Linked to the first, un-named wife of Newcome CAPPE are two others, which I take to be sisters. They are Mary, wife of James BENTON of Birmingham, merchant, she being his second wife, and an un-named middle daughter, wife of Robert BELL of Manchester who I think was Ann. Descendants of all three sisters are shown, including Mary Ann BELL who married James MILNES.
3) Pedigree of BLYTHE. Familiae Minorum Gentium, vol.2, p.454; Joseph Hunters MS.196, edited by John W. Clay, in The Publications of the Harlean Society, Vol.38, London, 1895.
4) Familysearch, based on FHL film 1278886, batch M02063-5, the parish registers of St Helen's Church, Garstang, Lancashire. This particular film includes marriages 1754-1856. Garstang is quite a way north of Manchester.
5) Extract from Garstand parish registers on the Lancashire Online Parish Clerk Prject.
6) I thought this was on Familysearch, but it seems to have disappeared. The Lancashire Online Parish Clerk project does not cover Manchester Cathedral for this year at present.
7) Robert Bell, of Manchester, and Ann Turner, spinster, of Fairshaw, Manchester, event date 11 Nov 1766, Familysearch digital folder 4018419, image 1199. In another Familysearch entry, Robert Bell is described as widowed; same folder, image 1200.
8) This is quoted on Findmypast as part of its cooperation with the Society ofGenealogists. There are no otehr details.
9) IGI Familysearch based on FHL film 1470320, marriage bonds and allegations for the diocese of York, surnames beginning with S, 1715-1741.
10) see note 3 above.
11) see note 3 above.
12) Familysearch, using FHLfilm 828133, church records for Bowl Alley Lane presbyterian chapel, Hull, from originals at the Public Record Office, now National Archives, Kew.
13) Marriage licences, bonds and allegations for the Consistory Court of the Archdeaconry of Chester, FHL film 1885398, containing marriage licences 1732-1772, and, it says, marriage licences 1733- 1761.
14) Based on Manchester and Stretford Registers, using FHLfilm 93596, possibly of some form of transcript. It is not clear.
15) Familysearch based on FHL digital folder 4018568, image 809.
16) Familysearch based on FHL film 1469712, Marriage bonds and allegations for the Diocese of York, 1618-1887, bonds and allegations, C surnames, 1759-1770.
17) Familysearch IGI based on Non-Conformist Record Indexes RG4-8.
18) Familysearch based on FHL film 828133, see note 12 above.


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